# [ntp:questions] Re: NTP stepping issue

Philip Homburg philip at pch.home.cs.vu.nl
Sat Oct 23 12:39:02 UTC 2004

```In article <I5KdnepkpvfUFuvcRVn-hg at comcast.com>,
Richard B. Gilbert <rgilbert88 at comcast.net> wrote:
>You have two potential, and, almost always both are real errors, to
>correct; the time and the clock frequency.  Both errors must be
>corrected by changing  the clock frequency, either temporarily or
>permanently.
>
>Step 1.  Record the present offset of the clock from the reference
>Step 2.  Wait ten minutes and record the offset of the clock from the
>reference..
>Step 3.  Find the difference between the two offsets
>Step 4.  Calculate the correction to the frequency that should cause the
>clock to
>             advance exactly ten minutes in exactly ten minutes.
>Step 5   Apply twice that correction (f=f+2*deltaf)
>Step 6  Wait ten minutes and record the offset which should be close to
>zero.
>Step 7.  Remove the over correction of frequency (that corrected the time)
>             ( f = f - deltaf)
>Step 8  Go to step 2
>
>The interval that I gave as ten minutes will have to increase as the
>frequency error decreases.  I have assumed that the time error is
>sufficiently small that it can be corrected with the available frequency
>adjustment.  If this explanation convinces you that I should stick to
>counting on my fingers, you are probably right!!

I implemented something similar to this, and it does work. The main
- a filter to reduce the noise component of the signal
- phase and frequency errors are tracked separately. Instead of 2*deltaf
there is a correction for the frequency error and a temporary frequency
correction for the phase error
- under-correction is used to improve stability.

It has been some time since I tested stability, but I think I tried 10
second pp white noise with a maximum slew rate of 100000 ppm.

Getting the noise reduction right is the tricky part, and is left as an

I think that NTP assumes that the local clock is unstable compared to
the reference clock, and uses relatively large corrections to keep the
clock synchronized. (With the disadvantage that the amount of noise may
exceed to capabilities of NTP to slew to clock).

In a situation where there is a lot of noise, it might be better to assume
that the local clock is relatively stable, and use that as a basis for
filtering the noise. The disadvantage is that it takes more time to converge,
but arbitrary amounts of noise can be tolerated.

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