[ntp:questions] .INIT. oddity

[Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET]

Hi,

	Having an issue and its really perplexing. Its a bit of a read,
so maybe you'll want to go for a dinner break first...

	The story starts out with a FreeBSD 4.X system (Its my personal
server, I've been lazy to upgrade it, I know, I know, I know) running
4.1.0-a . We'll call this BAD_SYSTEM. The /etc/ntp.conf is just :

server GOOD_SERVER1
server GOOD_SERVER2
server 0.us.pool.ntp.org
server 1.us.pool.ntp.org
server 2.us.pool.ntp.org
server 0.ca.pool.ntp.org
server 0.mx.pool.ntp.org

	I have 2 local NTP servers, FreeBSD 5.5 systems (Not my fault
again, I'm required to run that version currently). Both of them are
running 4.2.0-a. We'll call them GOOD_SERVER1 and GOOD_SERVER2 .

	When the story started, I saw the following in an ntpq{peers} :

     remote           refid      st t when poll reach   delay   offset  jitter
==============================================================================
 GOOD_SERVER1    .INIT.          16 u    -   64    0    0.000    0.000   0.000
 GOOD_SERVER2    .INIT.          16 u    -   64    0    0.000    0.000   0.000
+ntp2.your.org   216.218.254.202  2 u  616 1024  377   22.438  -37.986   2.191
+clock.trit.net  192.12.19.20     2 u  562 1024  377   82.501  -29.933   0.219
+lashiir.sapros. 74.53.198.146    3 u  572 1024  377   44.344  -45.981   0.023
*raptor.tera-byt 64.236.96.53     2 u  565 1024  377   80.970  -32.695   3.159
-cronos.cenam.mx .GPS.            1 u  504 1024  377  236.263   31.443 130.461

	I wasn't sure why it wasn't syncing to servers 3 feet away from it,
on the same router (different subnet, but there is perfect connectivity between
the two {GOOD_SERVER1+2 are also DNS servers for the machine, SMARTHOSTS, etc)
so I pulled an "M$" and restarted ntp. No dice. I ran ntpdates to both of them
perfectly, no issues, etc. I even used a web page that ran against them and 
came back with sane looking info. tcpdumps seemed to show the request went out,
got to GOOD_SERVER1+2, went back, and got back to BAD_SYSTEM. 

	So I then tried the typical thing of upgrading BAD_SYSTEM to 
4.2.4p4 at 1.1520-o . Same thing. 

	I then upgraded GOOD_SERVER2 to 4.2.4p4 at 1.1520-o . Same thing.

	harlan on IRC had me do "peer" instead of "server". 

BEFORE GOOD_SERVER2 WAS UPGRADED:

	BAD_SYSTEM: .INIT.
	GOOD_SERVER2: .DROP.

AFTER GOOD_SERVER2 WAS UPGRADED:

	BAD_SYSTEM: .INIT.
	GOOD_SERVER2: showed valid information


	I'm not sure where to go from here.

			Thanks, Tuc