todd.glassey at worldnet.att.net
Mon Jun 13 17:02:13 PDT 2005
Brad - first my apologies to the list for continuing this with you on the
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Knowles" <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
To: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey at att.net>
Cc: <hackers at ntp.isc.org>
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [ntp:hackers] Findinterface
> At 2:44 PM -0700 2005-06-13, todd glassey wrote:
> > Terje - you seem to want to make this adversarial... The fact is that
> > are wrong... and that the totality of your proofing model is your word
> > in a prosecution - is worth about 2 cents of sand.
> If you don't want this to be adversarial, then I suggest that you
> might want to change the way you're responding.
Brad - what would you suggest? - I asked nicely about standardizing NTP and
got slammed on and off the list. I asked about the need to Audit NTP and got
accused of "trying to sell a commercial service"... which is interesting
what service would that be by the way?
> Certainly, I've seen
> stuff from you that I would consider to be confrontational in nature,
> and I'm guessing that Terje is feeling the same way.
Really ? like what? - like the commentary about that there currently is no
standard foot print or definition of what makes up a NTP release, or a
standardized testplan for verifying the releases prior to release...
Brad, I am sorry you feel threatened by the future... but it is what it is.
> In other words, we're saying that this is adversarial is because
> you're making it adversarial.
Funny, I thought it was the demand to "Put up or shut up" from Terje that
made it adversarial.
> If you want to make this process
> non-adversarial, you need to do some work to make that happen.
Lay out the plan. tell me what it takes...
> Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
> temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
> -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
> Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755
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