[ntp:hackers] Cool new stuff

David L. Mills mills at udel.edu
Sat Jul 22 19:23:51 UTC 2006


Read my lips very carefully. I have said nothing about licensing. I 
don't care about licensing. All I care about is the IBM lawyer who 
showed up in my office demanding I sign a release specific to IBM and I 
would not do that. If Sun and HP and IBM and everybody else on the 
planet can guarantee hassle-free use of any code, then I and UDel have 
no problem with that.

There is no question about ownership here and I really would like to 
spare further discussion on that issue. You will note the copyright page 
says nogthing about licensing, only copyright. How about the IBM lawyer? 
How about the embedded products like my Xerox printer and Symmetricom 
GPS servers? If none of these guys has any problem, then I and UDel 
don't either. Finally, note I and UDel don't own anything, just the 
copyright notice asserting authorship of various parties.


Paul Vixie wrote:

>> If not, this makes vendors such as Sun and HP and
>> Symmetricom mighty nervous.
> sun and hp have already imported isc/lib/log.c (and eventlib) and vetted
> the license. but if that's a problem, feel free to fork the code, and ISC
> will send UDel a letter donating a copy of the source without its license,
> so that UDel can own its own copy.
> let's be done, for once and for all time, with any concern about licensing
> of ISC code for use in NTP. we're wasting time and missing opportunities.
> i am particularly upset since my use of and work on NTP predates my use of
> and work on BIND, and my inspiration to use a BSD-derived license on all
> of my work (and later, all of ISC's work) came from my appreciation of NTP
> and the license it used. dr. mills, every time you complain about ISC's
> license, it feels like i somehow missed the point of your work, and i do
> not think that i have. i am one of your followers. stop yelling at me
> for trying to follow in your footsteps.

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