[ntp:hackers] Mort the frog
David L. Mills
mills at udel.edu
Wed Jun 28 03:32:09 UTC 2006
No Digital/HP. I opted out of the program due great pain with cumbersome
todd glassey wrote:
> Would it make sense with regard to the DEC and HP machines to get some
> formal traction there with HP...
> If we are maintaining HP-UX instances and for their other OS's they
> need to
> make that HW available to both you and to the ISC for testing...
> I can probably help there with a couple of phone calls - HP is like
> where I
> literally grew up... The HP5061 was my grandfather's last project in what
> was then the lab's skunk works. (yeah Greg... the baby brother to the
> 5071... was my Grandfathers last project with Len Cuttler.)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David L. Mills" <mills at udel.edu>
> To: <hackers at ntp.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 7:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [ntp:hackers] Mort the frog
>> Yes, it would be good to be Different. Machine room rack space is indeed
>> a premium and would be much better suited for 1U hardware.
> OK - so what we need are permanent donations from the vendors not
> represented here directly to certify ports of NTP on their hardware.
>> We actually
>> have a lot of machines here, most devoted to some research project and
>> some outliving their usefulness.
> I dont see this as an issue. The vendors provide hardware or their
> customer's take what we give them and if their code doesnt get tested as
> much as its necessary, then it wont get released. No HW, no testing... its
> pretty simple. The problem is not dealing with some flunky who's job it is
> to run interference for decision makers.
>> I might be able to comandeer one or
>> more of these. Meanwhile, compact machines would be most useful.
> OK lets build a shopping list.
>> The RISC machine porkypine was a very old Digital machine;
> What is it a MicroVAX or something like it?VaxStation?
>> the HP
>> machine had hardware problems and died.
> I have an R system I can donate. I can also probably get a formal donation
> from HP. What specifically DO YOU WANT? - HP has some killer 2U Server
> boxes and a couple of other new ones. I suggest that you probably need two
> HP9000 systems, and the appropriate other DEC family equipment.
>> The Alpha twins were also very
>> old and not worth salvaging.
> What about the DS-10/DS-20 systems? The three NIST servers I host are
> DS-10's for instance run as aservers.
>> The younger Alpha twins will live on in
>> FreeBSD or Linux. The IPCs have long since died.
> Ewww - I have half a dozen of the IPC's in the closet on the floor if
> wants them. I also have a couple of "C" or "Campus" Sparc1's and Sparc2's
> floating around if you want them. (probably not eh?)...
>> Even if the hardware
>> could be repairable, the SunOS 4.1.3 kernel media has long since
>> expired. Besides, it took half an hour to get past the configure
>> scripts. I managed to snag two Dell Precision 370 systems, which are
>> really nice and may be able to snag another. These replace some really
>> ornery old machines and make it much easier to support them.
> Dell will prpbably provide whatever you need - give me a shopping list
> so I
> know what I am looking for and I will make some calls.
>> todd glassey wrote:
>>> BLU - just a question as this would have to be worked out between You
>>> Guys and Gals, and Harlan and Big Dave here...
>>> So lets ask the first question... does it makes sense and would you and
>>> Rainer take over management of the SOLARIS systems - this will allow
>>> you to
>>> always have the best of the best available... and would let Dave
>>> I also think that Dave needs some new hardware and unless someone has an
>>> objection, if you generate a shopping list for me I will spend some time
>>> seeing what I can get donated to the project... Specially newer
>>> smaller (1U
>>> or blade) type systems.
>>> Todd Glassey
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Harlan Stenn" <stenn at ntp.isc.org>
>>> To: "David L. Mills" <mills at udel.edu>
>>> Cc: <hackers at ntp.org>; <Peter_Losher at isc.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 9:21 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [ntp:hackers] Mort the frog
>>>>> I'm being booted out of my rather oversized lab and have room for only
>>>>> few machines in the machine room. I'm moving two machines home, making
>>>>> the total eight are available for test. The IPC, RISC, Alpha and HP
>>>>> machines will go, leaving only FreeBSD rackety and Solaris pogo,
>>>>> bridgeport, baldwin and malarky. I have a choice of Intel or Alpha to
>>>>> run Linux. Which should it be?
>>>> I'd vote for Alpha, as it is Different, and an equivalent argument can
>>>> be made for using Intel.
>>>> How possible/difficult would it be to move the IPC, RISC (which risc is
>>>> it?), Alpha, and HP elsewhere?
>>>>> Does anybody use a serial MUX in FreeBSD to hook up machine consoles
>>>>> remote access? I've used a serial MUX in Linux, but don't know of a
>>>>> generic driver. The MUX I have is a 4-port SIIG using standard UART
>>>> If this is the one in albert, there was a time when albert ran FreeBSD
>>>> and we used that same serial card for serial console access under
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