[ntp:hackers] Copyright notice

TS Glassey tglassey at earthlink.net
Fri Jun 27 21:59:51 UTC 2008

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David L. Mills" <mills at udel.edu>
To: <hackers at ntp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [ntp:hackers] Copyright notice

> Heiko,
> Huh? The notice is intended to avoid somebody downloading the
> distribution and claiming it as their own and not derivative.

Then it seems to me that the (C) notice should also have a hash of the 
content to properly identify it, but that's just my personal goochie.

> The notice
> says nothing about the file, only the notice itself. It is perfectly
> satisfacory to snip the unformatted ASCII portion and paste it into some
> other document.
> All the html pages are carefully designed to be read without gross pain
> on an ordinary text editor. There is nothing anywhere dependent on Lynx
> or any particular browser, just that it be capable of vanilla html.
> Everybody knows my evil policies on copyright wording and documenation
> style. What you see is what you get and I have no plans to change either.
> Dave
> Heiko Gerstung wrote:
>> David L. Mills schrieb:
>>> Folks,
>>> Lots of folks have been chipping away at me over the years about the
>>> copyright notice in the NTP distribution. I have refused to change
>>> the wording on the basis this might disenfranchise current users.
>>> Well, I took the case to the lawyers in our Univerisity Intellectual
>>> Properties Office and they told me the current wording is perfect and
>>> not to change anything. They did suggest I change the copyright
>>> holder to the University of Delaware on the basis this might deflect
>>> complaints to me personally. I have done that and so it remains.
>>> Dave
>> Dave,
>> on a sidenote: Do you still think it is necessary to download that
>> copyright notice when I try to build ntp from sources? This requires
>> lynx and I think it is pretty unnecessary to insist on a specific web
>> browser just to build something from source. It would probably be a
>> good idea to ask the UDel lawyers if the file could be included in a
>> static version which has a phrase like "If a newer version of this
>> document is available at www.ntp.org/copyright.html, that one is
>> valid" or something like this.
>> If we cannot avoid the dynamic downloading of a legal document, I
>> would vote for at least allowing alternatives to lynx (like wget,
>> links, links2, ...).
>> Best Regards,
>>  Heiko
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