[ntp:questions] Re: [ntp: questions] Twiki, answers,faq ?????

David L. Mills mills at udel.edu
Fri Aug 29 03:37:21 UTC 2003


Can we get off the soapbox here? It's not as much fun as Sunday morning
at Speaker's Corner in Hyde Park.

Some things don't seem to be getting through. Yes, I personally don't
see a lot of merit in twiki over converntional message digests like I
see when googling. That's my view and I don't intend to foster it on
anybody else. However, what does irk me is what seems to be excessive
evangelical zeal in marketing twiki to the public. I object to social
engineering on principle. Harlan's previous message on an offered driver
enhancement comes to mind. From the face of it, the contributor was
advised to confide the message to twiki, apparently to the exclusion of
other media. I would have much rather seen advice to contribute to the
newsgroup and/or faq and as a worthy additional, but not required,
effort to surmount the twiki learning curve and culture. 

The remainder of your message is completely off topic and I won't
comment on it here, other than to note you have a massive
misunderstanding of the issues as expressed in my previous messages to a
private group. That discussion has no place in this newsgroup.

With that, I'm through here. Pardon the trash following. Our fascist
NNTP processor here requires more text than in the enclosure. Geeeez.






Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 4:45 PM +0000 2003/08/28, David L. Mills wrote:
> >                                                   However, I see very
> >  little utility in the scheme over other traditional means which simply
> >  publish message archives you can find readily via google.
>         If that truly worked and was sufficient, then you would not have
> had to write any documentation at all, and we wouldn't need a FAQ.
>         The truth of the matter is that both documents are written in a
> particular style, one that some people find difficult to access.
>         We're just trying to find alternative ways to serve the entire
> community.  You may not like them, you may not use them.  But there
> are other people within the community that like and even prefer tools
> and information sources like this.
> >                                                            I don't see
> >  anything to be gained relative to the time and effort mastering the
> >  learning curve and, frankly, I would be far happier if the Corps spent
> >  more time improving the core product and less on toolmaking.
>         How could we do that?
>         You won't let anyone else touch the core algorithms.  You have
> insisted that no new features be added to the code until the next
> releases are cut, and those are gated on things like access to the
> back room machines where the testing can be done.  Of course, you
> have now kicked everyone off the back room machines, so it's pretty
> hard to get any work done.
>         When Danny was trying to debug IPv6 problems, you can't give him
> any useful information.  Danny was finally able to get some help from
> John Hay -- if not, the IPv6 problems might never have been found and
> fixed.

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