[ntp:questions] Re: Need ntpdate *tool* not *counselor*

Brian T. Brunner brian.t.brunner at gai-tronics.com
Thu Jun 2 13:09:02 UTC 2005

What part of "2 hours by helicopter from Kuala Lumpur" did you not 
recognize as indicating exactly that?  We Be Isolated!

Those 2 hours are spent over water btw.

Kazakhstan was not a joke... I've gotten Startup & Service calls from 
that part of the world.

Never in the nice clean cities (*cough*), we're at the well-farm/storage-farm/refinery 
plant  way out that-a-way from anything we'd call a nice clean city.

We're also onboard drilling ships way-out-wherever.  We're also on floating 
(anchored) well-head->holding docks for passing tankers in probably a thousand 
feet of water.  Getting more remote requires a wet suit, or a hard vacuum suit,
or a high tolerance for breathing difficulties.

So, yes, we're an isolated not-work(sic) w.r.t. synching time with 
anything else on this planet.  Evolution being what it is, a desire for 
satellite-based time feed will eventually trickle down this industry to the 
point that there will be some reliable time master such that logs can be 
compared between two distant ships/plants.  For now, getting the several 
embedded alarm processors and their master agreeing what the time is 
not only suffices, it is the best I can hope for.

Some folk have suggested having the Stratum16 Master lie helpfully by 
claiming Stratum10 status so that we'll all be equally wrong together, and 
our records will then agree.  Good suggestion, prima facie; now I'm trying 
to figure out how to make a WinXp{home|pro} system serve time a-la-RFC
for *any* version of (Linux) ntp.

Best results so far in this direction is by disabling Windows Time Service 
and installing & auto-starting the freeware "Absolute Time Server".

How to configure the WinXp box to assert that it is a Stratum10 
device is still in the fog.

rdate may prove fruitful also, if time zone issues can be resolved.

P.S. These system have no operator, ever.  The linux kernel has no console.
The startup & Service folk can putty in via etherlan, and edit a flat text 
configuration file to add or remove '#' comment characters... 

....if I ask for more than that they start sharpening knives and asking 
me if my passport is up to date.  They'll make sure I get the necessary shots...

Brian Brunner
brian.t.brunner at gai-tronics.com

>>> "mayer" <mayer at gis.net> 06/01/05 10:45PM >>>
----- Original Message Follows -----
> Actually I wrote to questions at lists.ntp.isc.org 

I somehow doubt that your systems are so isolated that
you never want to be able to integrate logs with other systems.


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