brad at stop.mail-abuse.org
Mon Mar 7 12:50:49 UTC 2005
At 11:54 AM +0000 2005-03-07, David J Taylor wrote:
> I, too, find it annoying to have multiple sources feeding this newsgroup.
> I would prefer if eveyone simply used NNTP to talk directly to
> comp.protocols.time.ntp. Is there still a good reason for reflectors
Yes, there is. A lot of people do not have access to a news
reader, and wouldn't know how to use one if they did.
Looking at the list of subscribers, there are 129 addresses on
the list, and you have to be a subscriber before the mailing list
software will accept your message and post it to the list, gateway it
to the newsgroup, etc.... Conversely, you don't have to be a member
to post to the newsgroup.
This is also how spam sometimes manages to get sent out to the
mailing list recipients -- it gets posted to the newsgroup, and
anything posted to the newsgroup is automatically sent to the mailing
Looking back through the complete archives of the entire time
that the mail/news gateway has been in operation (going back to Fri,
18 Jul 2003 20:13:25 +0200), I see a total of 715 unique addresses
that have posted, and many of those are clearly bogus and would never
have been accepted by Mailman as mailing list subscribers. So, I
would say that the vast majority of one-time and low-time posters are
coming from the USENET side.
The mailing list provides a very valuable service. Because of
the restriction of requiring someone to subscribe before they're
allowed to post, it seems that we're keeping most of the riff-raff
away, at least from the mailing list side.
From my perspective, it seems to me that the mailing list does
little harm, and a lot of good. However, if you can give me
conclusive proof that the mailing list/newsgroup gateway is causing
irreparable harm to the newsgroup, then I would be inclined to work
hard to try to find alternative solutions.
> On the subject of splitting the newsgroup, I don't believe there is enough
> traffic to justify this, although if someone could be bothered to go
> through the process I certainly wouldn't oppose it.
If someone wants to go through the process to propose creating a
new group for the express purpose of taking the gatewayed traffic
from the mailing list, I would not be opposed to that. But you
should read through the guidelines on what it takes to create a new
newsgroup before you try to carry that through.
Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
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