[ntp:questions] Threading test
brad at stop.mail-abuse.org
Sat Mar 19 14:51:17 UTC 2005
At 11:25 AM +0000 2005-03-19, Per Hedeland wrote:
> I don't know if 1) is due to their already having the prefix-stripping
> in, or due to not putting in a prefix on the mailing list side in the
> first place, but either would do the job.
I don't know whether the list is configured to have a subject
prefix, but I can assure you that python.org is not yet running
Mailman 2.1.6. This is one of the big things we're waiting on Barry
to do, because a number of the features in this version came from me
and the other site or list administrators for python.org, and we
really want to make our lives a lot easier.
But an upgrade of this scale on a server this sensitive needs to
be done very carefully by someone who understands the system and the
code much better than I do.
I'll do the upgrade on ntp.isc.org without hesitation, once 2.1.6
is released and tested in production elsewhere, because I know we
haven't done anything particularly unusual in our configuration. But
as hacked-up as the machine is for python.org, I'm not willing to
take that same risk there.
> 2) isn't something that can be
> "fixed" of course, but I think it's clear that the high proportion here
> is mainly due to several of the "regulars" using the mailing list (hint,
I think you have to ask yourself what the other "draws" to USENET
are or could be, which might be sufficient to get the traffic pattern
shifted to something more to your liking. Then ask yourself how much
effort would be involved to promote those advantages, or otherwise
attract more people to the other side of the interface.
One of the huge draws of using the e-mail interface is that you
can subscribe to the list, submit a question, and then have the
responses sent back to you by e-mail. This is a push mechanism, and
you don't have to go out and periodically check the newsgroup to see
if anyone has posted an answer -- as soon as an answer has been
posted, you'll be notified.
Of course, there are people who have unified news/mail clients,
and for them it doesn't really appear any different whether the
answer comes in via mail or news. That is, until they go on vacation
and they're away from their desk for a while, and the old articles
might be purged from their local news server.
Then there are people who check their e-mail via a number of
different devices (including handheld PCs or Blackberry phones),
where USENET news clients are very thin on the ground if they exist
at all. I've been doing some searching, and I have yet to find a
single USENET news client for PalmOS or Blackberry.
I think the better long-term solution, which benefits the
Internet community as a whole, is to fix the Mailman USENET news
gateway code so that it solves all the problems you've identified,
but does so in a way that also avoids re-opening vulnerability to
issues that have been previously addressed.
I'm working on finding out how various other news-to-mail
gateways work, and how they handle these specific issues, but this
effort is unlikely to result in any code getting fixed any time soon.
It's going to be a long slow slog through the projects and their code
to extract their algorithms and compare them to what we have, and
then make suggestions which can be considered and coded for by people
like Tokio or Barry in their spare time.
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